Forbidden Fruits by Phillip Hoyle

I asked myself a silly question about this topic “Forbidden Fruits.” Am I a fruit? I answered it easily. Of course I am, but I still didn’t have a story to tell. I wrote a very long paper exploring different approaches but found myself arguing with an ancient story of origins way back there in the old book. I kept telling myself to write a personal story that in some way connected. If what follows fills the bill, good. If it doesn’t, enjoy it anyway.

I didn’t need a prohibition to make the fruit attractive. No one slithered my way to tempt me, at least not anyone I was very interested in.

As a child I liked sexual games with friends, especially those with other boys. As a teen I was open to the advances of an acquaintance, a boy a year younger than I. When the ensuing months of sexual play ended (he moved away) I didn’t find anyone to relate to in what I was discovering was an experience with social sanctions against it. I went on living my life, realizing more and more about difference (sexual, social, racial, and cultural) and grew more fascinated by the array of perspectives related not only to my sexual desires but also concerning common habits (for example, eating), pallets (such as favorite colors), sounds (like in musical styles), even reality (including visions cultural, philosophical, theological and anthropological). I came to know the great variety of religious values held sacred and true by peoples around the world and even in a single country town. I learned about prejudice and grew to appreciate my parents’ values as they were demonstrated with other people, society, and the world.

Although my mother was a prohibitionist as relates to alcohol, she still taught an open attitude toward life and allowed great freedom for her children. Both she and my dad had personal standards that they chose to teach through their consistent practice rather than judgmental and manipulative badgering. Although we kids really liked each other, we bickered a lot. Some activity might be judged inappropriate by one of us prompting a pointed finger and the words ‘shame on you’ just like a national politico may do today over a personal misbehavior of someone in the opposing party. I realized that the very voice that said ‘shame on you’ one minute in the next chanted ‘finders keepers; losers weepers.’ Oh the world I discovered and loved revealed itself in ways quiet varied and often inconsistent.

Of course, my parents and siblings were not the only teachers. The culture with its lore and assumptions, history and laws taught much more and powerfully. I keep thinking about the dynamics of the second Genesis creation story, that ‘just so’ tale that still defines so many peoples’ attitudes toward men and women, toward animals and earth, toward sin and salvation, toward action and consequence—that truly ethos forming mythos (Genesis 2:4b-3:24). The word temptation seems defined by that story, but the temptation is impossible without the forbidding. The story’s power comes from its heavenly array of a very human god, his angels, his creations, his prohibitions, his curse which focused only on the snake, and his explanations of consequences related to behaviors he as the assumed creator made possible in his plants, animals, and new people. It’s a story of guilt mongering. To say so may sound cheeky. So be it.

What eventually gets to me is the misogyny of the whole scene. The god Yahweh is too human meaning way too male with too much power. He, this desert god, is too egotistical. Of course, this was eons before Moses and other prophets started training him for international diplomacy, eons before the Greeks insisted he be consistent and perfect, before they demanded that if he was going to insist on a purity code for his creatures, he act that way himself. By the time I met whatever was left of that footloose deity, he’d become so pure and abstract as to seem missing. Eventually I learned more about how the prophet Jesus undid purity laws and taught a justice based on consistent standards that sought a dynamic goodness honoring the spirit of law rather than a legalistic adherence to wooden rules.

AND so much more had occurred that I would never know of but that still informs the cultural understanding around and even within me. One thing I escaped in all this was the feeling of guilt. I don’t know if such a proclivity in me was related to the home and circumstance in which I was reared or arose genetically or developed for some other undefinable reason. I did see the beauty of some men, an unconventional male beauty not based on Greek-like muscles or shape of face, not based on the accrual of power and influence and money, but something more elusive and simple. I liked that attraction and wondered when it would become consequential for me. I knew I could not resist it out of some feeling of prohibition or guilt. It would be like my experience of finally finding a piano teacher who succeeded in establishing a technical approach to the keyboard, or a voice teacher who actually helped focus my voice away from the throat tension that had compromised its fluidity, or finding myself in my best job of a lifetime, or working in a church I actually loved—all these what I call do-not-expect-a-repeat experiences. So at age thirty I fell in love with an unlikely man. At fifty-five I had another such experience that went far beyond the one a quarter of a century earlier. I tended these relationships both against convention and as acts of love. Of course, in conventional sin-and-redemption, prohibition-and-disobedience terms, I am just hopeless.

But where in all this was I in line with the powerful Hebrew story? It seems to me it was in the VERY IMPORTANT FACT that I was not egotistical in my acts. I was not trying to have the same powers as God. I was not vaunting my own importance. And in the desires and acts of love with these other fruits in God’s great garden, I was discovering new aspects of the ultimately loving God—trained as he was by generations of prophets and philosophers. I found so much love as to transform me into a useful vessel of the eternal and lively divinity. Surely there’s no shame that.

Denver, 2014

About the Author

Phillip Hoyle lives in Denver and spends his time writing, painting, and socializing. In general he keeps busy with groups of writers and artists. Following thirty-two years in church work and fifteen in a therapeutic massage practice, he now focuses on creating beauty. He volunteers at The Center leading the SAGE program “Telling Your Story.”

He also blogs at artandmorebyphilhoyle.blogspot

Forbidden Fruits by Pat Gourley

“ First they ignore
you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you…then you win”

Mahatma Gandhi
This famous quote from Gandhi seems to aptly sum up our LGBT history
as society’s forbidden fruits.  If you
Google the word fruit and then add ‘slang’ to the search the Wikipedia post is
quite worth the read. The word “fruit” as derogative slang for LGBT folks has a
long rather bizarre and cruel if not at times a hilarious history.  In the spirit of making these stories
personal tales I won’t go into much of what is said about the word except for
one example that is simply too delicious to not share.
Believe it or not the Canadian Civil Service used what they
called the “Fruit Machine” to detect infiltrating queers especially into the
Canadian Mounties. The “machine” would often consist of exposing recruits to
erotic male imagery or sexually charged homoerotic words and then attempt to
measure the response of prospective candidates. I think it was just nervous
twitching, sweating and flushing responses and that electrodes were not hooked
up to a penis. This ‘fruit machine’ was actually in use from 1950-1973!
It would be egotiscal thinking on my part to try and remember
when I was someone else’s ‘forbidden fruit’. I suppose though that I might have
fit that bill somewhat in the 1970’s when married men looking for a quick
noon-hour fuck pursued me at least for a few hours at the bathes. I was
certainly forbidden to them and definitely a fruit.
For me personally my tastes in forbidden fruit-like things of
a sexual nature have always drifted toward the leather and S/M scenes but I
must say I have only nibbled at the edges around those communities. I was
certainly headed that way in the early 1980’s but that whole HIV thing kind of
slowed new avenues of sexual exploration for me. Though I suspect I could be
easily seduced even today with the promise of some creative verbal abuse and a
good ass whipping, pretty vanilla I know but I am still a novice in this area
of ‘forbidden fruit’.
To shift gears here rather rapidly I read a piece recently
from the British journal The Spectator
where a London Physician, rather provocatively I suppose, said that he would
these days rather have HIV than diabetes. I think he was actually serious and
gave several examples of how well controlled HIV was actually less of a health
threat that diabetes which he described as not only a chronic but also a
progressive illness. His point overall being that HIV alone is now considered
to simply be chronic and not progressive or interfering with living a normal
lifespan. For the record I do not believe that Type 2 diabetes is necessarily progressive
either.
So what the hell you may ask is the rather loose association
I am making with forbidden fruit. Well, and bare with me here, I find it very
personally ironic and quite unjust that I am now looking at pre-diabetes with a
recent HbA1c of 6.0. That mind you after well over thirty years of HIV
infection and the resulting metabolic derangement I lay mostly at the feet of
HIV meds, even as effective as they are at controlling the virus. As the
Grateful Dead so often sang, “if the thunder don’t get you the lightning will”.
So forbidden fruit for me has left the carnal realms of the flesh and moved
into actually eating fruit, or more accurately drinking fruit juice.  Juice is now something forbidden if I want to
try and control the metabolic syndrome fueling my early diabetes with diet and
exercise rather than with medicines.
I have become in the past couple years even more of a
voracious reader of diet and diet theory related books. My heroes being many of
the leading vegans, Neil Barnard, Rip Esselstyn, T. Colin Campbell and some of
the less strident diet advocates such as Robert Lustig and Mark Hyman. All of
these authors, several being noted physicians, believe Type 2 diabetes is
reversible with diet and exercise. The diet they espouse of course is not
standard American fare and is full of forbidden items not just fruit juice.
Fruit juice, even fresh squeezed for example, has as much sugar as the same
amount of Coke or Pepsi. I needed to come to the realization that my pancreas
and liver don’t give a fuck where the sugar comes from. It is the same poisons
whether honey, high fructose corn syrup, Agave nectar or table sugar.
My personal guru around things diet these days is the aforementioned Robert Lustig, a pediatric endocrinologist from UCSF, whose excellent
book Fat Chance lays it all out in
plain English with of course rather long lists of the forbidden. His advice for
controlling metabolic syndrome and its evil sequelae can be summed-up easily: we
just need to eat real food. He suggests never buying anything with label on it.
Another of his pearls is that we have a choice in life, we can be fat or we can
fart. His reference to farting of course is related to the need for lots of
fiber in our diet, which only comes from real, unprocessed food.
So, for me now, in my mid-sixties, what have become forbidden
fruits are certainly much different than what they were in 1979. Ah, for the
simpler days when the choice was not between farting and unwanted visceral fat
but rather will it be an afternoon delight at the tubs or perhaps an evening
spent in a sling in the basement of dear friends. 
© April 2014 

About the Author  
I was
born in La Porte Indiana in 1949, raised on a farm and schooled by Holy Cross
nuns. The bulk of my adult life, some 40 plus years, was spent in Denver,
Colorado as a nurse, gardener and gay/AIDS activist.
I have
currently returned to Denver after an extended sabbatical in San Francisco,
California.