The Interview by Ricky

In August of 1967, the Vietnam non-war was still in vogue and I had lost my student deferment so I went for a pre-induction physical for the Air Force. The first part was easy – catch a bus to Reno where my recruiter met me and gave me a bus ticket and a packet of information/directions to the induction facility in Oakland, California.

The second part was easy as well – get on the bus for a ride to Oakland. Next came the finding of the hotel where I slept free the night prior to my scheduled physical in the morning. After a juice and roll breakfast I walked to the induction center encountering a street-wise beggar to whom I gave $5.00 naïvely believing he would buy a healthful breakfast. Finally arriving at the center, I began the awful task of completing the background history and health history for both the doctors and the people who would be investigating my past for security clearance purposes. The forms were very long as far as I was concerned and really taxed my brain as to which and when I had childhood diseases and when and where I lived my entire life. If the recruiter had given me the forms before I arrived in Reno, I could have checked the information with my mother rather than causing my brain to fry trying to remember such petty details.

Then the totally unexpected question appeared just above the signature area. “Are you a homosexual?” Followed by, “Have you ever engaged in any homosexual acts?” I hesitated a while before answering these questions. By my then 19 years of age even though I was very naïve, I still knew that I did not want the “world,” especially the Air Force, to know that I did enjoy the guy with guy experimentation I had done. However, I did not know that I would not have been able to enlist if I answered, “Yes” to the first question and I did not want to explain anything if I answered “Yes” to the second question. I also did not want to lie. The long pause that resulted gave me time for my brain to form the following rationalization.

I did enjoy sex-play with guys and I was concerned that I had not “grown out of it” like all of my “play-mates” did. But, due to the fact that I had no access to girls (and I really did want to have sex with them in my mind but not my fantasies) I just figured all would be well once I was away from home and did have access. Therefore, I was not a homosexual, just a virgin. So, I answered both questions with a “No” and pressed on.

The next challenge was standing naked in a line of America’s finest youth and worrying about popping a boner because some of the youths were nicely hung and gorgeous to my libido. I was so nervous though that nothing below stirred.

I finished the physical before noon, caught the bus back home to await my report-for-duty date, and arrived late in the afternoon. My parents didn’t even know I had been gone overnight. I told my mother that I had enlisted about one week before I left home. It might seem cruel to have waited so long, but I spared her three months of worry. I was concerned for her emotions concerning the issue of not just leaving home but leaving home for a potential trip to a war zone. She clearly remembered WW2 and those of her neighbors who did not return alive. So at least this time, I was considerate of her feelings.

© July 2012

About the Author

I was born in June of 1948 in Los Angeles, living first in Lawndale and then in Redondo Beach. Just prior to turning 8 years old in 1956, I began living with my grandparents on their farm in Isanti County, Minnesota for two years during which time my parents divorced.

When united with my mother and stepfather two years later in 1958, I lived first at Emerald Bay and then at South Lake Tahoe, California, graduating from South Tahoe High School in 1966. After three tours of duty with the Air Force, I moved to Denver, Colorado where I lived with my wife and four children until her passing away from complications of breast cancer four days after the 9-11 terrorist attack.

I came out as a gay man in the summer of 2010. I find writing these memories to be therapeutic.

My story blog is, TheTahoeBoy.Blogspot.com.

The Interview by Nicholas

It happened one day when Jamie and I were visiting his grandmother who lived in Palo Alto, California with her daughter, Jamie’s mom. We were living in San Francisco at the time, about an hour north, and frequently drove down the Peninsula to visit Jamie’s parents and grandmother. This day was a little different because Jamie’s folks were away so that made us Grandma’s chief entertainers/care givers for the day.

Grandma G was in her mid-80s and totally together mentally. Because she was getting up in years and finding it difficult getting around, Jamie’s parents moved her from her home in Chicago to their rambling ranch-style house in sunny, mild California. It wasn’t a move that she was totally happy with but she seemed to get along well enough and didn’t complain. At least not to me and Jamie.

She was always happy to see us. One day we brought her a piece of this fabulously delicious peanut butter cake with peanut butter and cream cheese frosting from one of the exquisite bakeries in our neighborhood of San Francisco. She loved it and told us that this was her day to sin. What day was that, we asked. Any day I want, she said. We always brought some cake down with us after that.

I don’t know that I would label Grandma G a “character,” though she certainly had plenty of character. She once told us that sometimes she stayed up all night reading a book she just could not put down. She was sharing a secret like a kid who deliberately went against curfew to do what she wanted.

She’d had an interesting career and for a time had had her own radio show on homemaking, complete with her own show business radio name, on a station in Chicago. She had also been very involved in liberal politics in Chicago—one of the first women to do so—and in the Presbyterian church. Grandma G is probably the reason Jamie’s family turned out so solidly liberal and progressive minded. Jamie likes to show a photograph of him and Grandma at a 1980 Chicago rally for the Equal Rights Amendment, the one that would have put gender equality into the U.S. Constitution.

I always enjoyed our visits to Palo Alto where it was usually sunny and warm unlike San Francisco with its chill and fog. I felt like I was actually in California there.

Jamie was busy doing something outside, cleaning the pool or something. Grandma and I were in the family room chatting about nothing in particular when the questions began.

She was curious, in an innocent grandmotherly way, about me and Jamie, her favorite grandson. How did we meet, she asked. I told her the story of friends inviting us both to dinner, meeting at their house and then going out. Jamie and I hit it off, he offered me a ride home and, after talking a while, we made plans to get together.

Did we love each other? Yes, I said, sort of gulping as I wondered just where this conversation was going and where was Jamie.

Did Jamie treat me well? Oh, yes, he does, I said. Very well.

Does he apologize when he hurts your feelings, asked Grandma. Well, yes, I guess, I said. He hadn’t really ever hurt my feelings in the short time we’d known each other but I imagined he would apologize if he ever did so.

I imagine there were more questions, but then Jamie returned to the room. I joked about being grilled by Grandma and the conversation shifted to another topic. I’ve always had a fond memory of that afternoon and my brief interview by the matriarch.

About the Author

Nicholas grew up in Cleveland, then grew up in San Francisco, and is now growing up in Denver. He retired from work with non-profits in 2009 and now bicycles, gardens, cooks, does yoga, writes stories, and loves to go out for coffee.

The Interview by Betsy

“So, Betsy, what makes you think that
your soul should be allowed to move forward and take residence in a higher
creature, a creature better than yourself?”
“The application for elevation of my
soul that you sent me says I must demonstrate that I have made a supreme effort
to be honest, trustworthy, loving to my partner and family and friends, and
sensitive to the feelings of others.   It
may have taken me a lifetime, but I am quite confident I have done this and that
I qualify for elevation.   And the effort
has continued throughout my life.  I try
to be loving to people I am close to. 
Sometimes I do get wrapped up in my own activities and I forget to be
considerate to my partner, but mostly I am loving and I do try. 
“I have been conscientious about following
the rules.  Actually, I did follow the
rules early in life.  I suppose they were
my parent’s rules; but when I became an adult I realized the rules were
different depending on who made them.  I
mean, I was married to a man because I heard that marriage is only between a
man and a woman.  But then, I learned
that that rule wasn’t the truth.  And I
tried to follow the guidance of my soul. 
Yes, I did have to hurt the man I married, but he got over it and is
better off for it now.  The important
thing is it was not my intention to hurt him. 
“I’ve always tried to be as honest as I
possibly can.  Yes, I know. I Iied to my
parents about eating the candy before dinner and well, yes, I know, about
having to be sent to the cloakroom that time in the third grade, and about not
doing my homework, but that was just once; and that was before I understood
that I have a soul and that I have an ego that can lead me astray when I am not
paying attention.  And punishment is so
hard on my ego.
“The application also says I must show
that I have made a positive contribution to society during my lifetime.  I bore and raised three children. I am rather
counting on them to make significant contributions to the world. They are smarter
than I, and they work hard.” 
“Well, Betsy, I do believe we can put
you on the short list, but the committee will have to make the final
consideration as to the direction your soul will take.  In the meantime, we recommend you do your
best to follow the straight and narrow. Actually, in your case forget the
straight, but keep that ego in check. 
After all, it’s only an ego.  It
has nothing really to do with your soul. 
You wouldn’t want to sabotage your soul for all time just for the sake
of your silly ego which is a temporary thing. 
Remember, you still have a bit of road to travel before the final
judgement is made.  We’ll get back to you
then.”
©
16 July 2012

About the Author

Betsy has been active in the GLBT community including PFLAG, the Denver women’s chorus, OLOC (Old Lesbians Organizing for Change). She has been retired from the Human Services field for about 15 years. Since her retirement, her major activities include tennis, camping, traveling, teaching skiing as a volunteer instructor with National Sports Center for the Disabled, and learning. Betsy came out as a lesbian after 25 years of marriage. She has a close relationship with her three children and enjoys spending time with her four grandchildren. Betsy says her greatest and most meaningful enjoyment comes from sharing her life with her partner of 25 years, Gillian Edwards.

The Interview by Ray S

Q:  “Can I, or may I come over and interview you
for a piece I am doing for the station?”
     Although I’d known
Betsey was on the broadcast staff of the local fine arts FM radio station as
well as a musicologist that did background talks for the symphony, I was at a
loss as to what I had to offer.
A:  “Well, yes, it would be good to visit with
you, but what have I got to contribute to your job?”
     Her response informed
me that she was doing a general interest piece prior to the opening night
festivities in Central City at the Opera House. 
Someone had mentioned to her that a mutual acquaintance had long ago
been an usher or something on the Opera House staff.
     “Local color, human
interest,” she said.
     With the old what
goes around comes around feeling I said, “Ask away.”
Q.  “How did you learn about a summer job at
Central?”
A.  It was my junior year at college and a
sorority sister of my future wife told me I might be able to land a job
starting the end of May.  She was a voice
major and had worked at the Central City Opera box office in the men’s
department of the D & F store on Arapahoe St. in downtown Denver.
Not
looking forward to another sweltering summer in the Windy City, I jumped at the
chance to be in the midst of real live theatre and opera at that.
Q.  “So you got the job.  What did you do?”
A.  Once I boned up on the history of Central and
particularly Opera House, I would have washed dishes or scrubbed the Face on
the Bar Room Floor.  Seemed like the
business manager needed an eager and possibly rational gopher.  I lived in the ushers’ dormitory, ate at West
Matinees “Olde Fashioned” dining room on Eureka St. across from the Teller
House.  Every morning we breakfasted on
Miss Hanah’s  huge cinnamon buns.
My
routine was to drive my boss down to Denver every day to the office in the City
and County Building, run errands all day, and we would return to Central in
time to open the box office at the Teller House.  I couldn’t believe my life had been so
transformed.  I felt like an apprentice
to my employer learning all about what makes the show get going.
Q. “What
was the production that year?”
A.  The board and artistic director had to rile
the old guard by announcing it would be Strauss’s “Die Fledermous,” outraged
that grand opera had been replaced by an “operetta.”  As it turned out after the opening night
performance the house was sold out for the season, showmanship surpassed KULTUR
with a “K.”  Then to add insult to injury
the second 1/2 of the season was to be “Diamond Lil” starring in her original
role, Ms. Mae West.
Q. “I’ve
heard it was a beautiful production. 
What stands out in your memory?”
A.  For me the whole opera scene opened up, it was
a wonderland come to life.  The music is
unforgettable, the singers, from stars to chorus and orchestra, all so genuine,
professional, and talented.
Learning
to know the director and his staff.  Most
all major cast members brought their families so they needed baby sitting
too.  It was one big party in the cast
housing, but strictly business in the theatre.
    The
experience and opportunity to immerse one’s self in this high altitude
opera/theatre realm was like moving into an alternate life. So much happened
that summer in that wonderful old opera house. 
And to me, that I couldn’t believe I had my own voyage through a musical
looking glass. Guess I was forever stage struck and the battery died in Betsy’s
recorder.
     End of Interview!

About the Author

The Interview by Michael King

For
several years I’ve been going to the GLBT Center for a program called
“Telling Your Story”. Each week we have a topic which runs the gamut
from “Weather” to “Queer, Just How Queer?” to “Mud”
to “Drama Queen” and so on. When I first started going to “Story
time,” the other name we call it, I would choke up and remember
experiences that I had so suppressed that I hadn’t thought about them for 60 or
so years. It seemed that once acknowledging the pain and denials of these old
happenings, I was relieved and another piece of my baggage seemed to have been
dealt with. The experience I’m writing about this time is a little different as
I am consciously telling about something for the purpose of sharing and also for
reflecting on or getting in touch with not only my feelings but also to share
these experiences with others that might want to know about the events of the
last few days.
The topic for July 16, 2012
is “The Interview.”
I
looked up the word “interview” in my little pocket dictionary and was
surprised that my concept of the word differed some from Merriam Webster’s: 1:
a formal consultation; 2: a meeting at which a writer or reporter obtains information
from a person; also the written account of such a meeting.
My
thoughts on the topic were more along the lines of a job interview or a TV
program technique, and I guess that does also apply within the dictionary’s
definition. If that’s the case then the
meeting Merlyn and I had on Thursday would or could be called an interview,
though at the time I didn’t know I would be writing an account of the
experience.
On
Wednesday I stopped by the office to pick up the rent receipts. Mable asked if
I had been to my apartment yet. I said “no” and she said that someone
from the victim assistance unit had been there and had left a note under my
door. I thought that someone had reported the injuries to my face and knee from
having had a bad fall after tripping on the raised sidewalk some 9 days
earlier. Perhaps they thought it was a gay bashing or mugging.
Entering
my apartment, I picked up the form that had been shoved under my door.
“City
and County of Denver, Department of Safety. July 11, 2012. 1:30PM I am very
sorry to have to bring you this news. There has been an emergency and I was
unable to contact you in person. Therefore, you have been requested to contact (then
written on a blank line) Lindsay–Boulder coroner’s office–at (the number) who
has more information concerning this situation.” It went on to state that
they would give me assistance and who to contact in their office.
I
immediately knew what had happened. I was sure that a homeless man I had known
years before had died. His name was Michael and has been one of the people I
most love. It was near impossible to relate to Michael, but the place in my
heart though full of love also has had a very big hole.
I
called Lindsey, got a recording to call another number and finally got her on
the phone. I gave her my name and she confirmed that it was Michael who had
died and that I was the only name on his emergency contact from some paperwork
the police had access to. Lindsay is Kayla Wallace’s assistant. Kayla is the
lead investigating officer.
Michael
had died in his sleep at The Boulder Shelter for the Homeless. I called there
and left a message (standard operating 
procedure) I also found out that the case manager for Michael at the
shelter was Karyn. I called her and she said that the body had been found that
morning in his bunk when he didn’t wake up.
Merlyn,
my companion and I talked a lot about Michael and my experiences with him years
earlier. A few weeks ago Merlyn had helped me do a search for Michael thru an
agency we found on the internet. It gave his previous addresses. I recognized
some of them from years and years ago. One was in Boulder and we planned to
check it out sometime even though I thought that it too was an old address.
I
have thought much about Michael over the years and wondered what he was doing
and how he was. I have gone over and over in my mind what I could do or could
have done. Long ago I realized that he preferred the homeless lifestyle, but I
could never grasp why that would be his choice. He knew how to work the system, and he had been very good at it when I knew him. But the last time either
anyone in his family or I had seen him was 15 or so years ago. He liked Boulder
and I assumed that that was where he probably was. His brother-in-law had seen
him a couple of times, but there was never a further contact.
Merlyn
suggested we go to see the shelter and maybe find out if anyone knew him and
could fill us in on his life since I last saw him. Thursday morning I called
Karyn and made arrangements to meet her and see the bunk where Michael died.
By
this time I was already fatigued.  I had
spent most of Wednesday afternoon and evening talking to Michael’s sisters and brother-in-law, and finally his brother called me from Albuquerque while Merlyn
and I were at Taco Bell. Merlyn had wanted to take me out to dinner and even
though I wasn’t very hungry I needed to take a walk. My knee was stiff and
sore. I was spacey from the pain pills and exhausted from all the phone calls
as well as the emotions of the day. I don’t hear well, so when I got a call on
Merlyn’s cell phone I didn’t have any idea who I was talking to. I had only
known that Michael’s brother had been named Jonathan so I didn’t connect when
the caller said it was Jon. Finally he explained that he was Michael’s brother.
I had now talked to two of Michael’s sisters and his brother-in-law several
times and now his brother.  Michael’s
mother is in the hospital with a brain tumor which causes her to be erratic and
hallucinative.
Jon
certainly has his hands full. He seems to be a really nice person. He asked if
I would send him some of Michael’s ashes. He will wait until his mother can
accept the news. Surgery is scheduled for the 25th and one of the sisters is
planning to be there also.
So
Merlyn drove me to Boulder and we met with Karyn. This is what I will call the
interview; finding out what the life and last days of a homeless man was like.
What has happened in the last 15 years?
I
think it was a UPS guy at the door with Karyn when we arrived. He left and she
warmly greeted us and took us to her office. Even though she had only been
Michael’s case manager for a few months she had know him for some time. She had
been fond of him. Her description was of a quiet, but friendly and quite
independent, pleasant loaner. His history was a pattern of using the shelter,
getting into a housing program, breaking the rules by letting others crash at
his place, then losing his housing and repeating the cycle. He maintained close
contact with mental health and between all the agencies he successfully had
food, clothing, shelter and money for cigarettes. He knew and was known by his
community of choice. Karyn said he was very dark. I think probably from the sun
as he was fair and had been a blond when he was younger. She was surprised to
find out that he was only 47; apparently he looked much older. I would have
thought his hair would have been gray, but she said there was very little gray.
She figured he was part Native American from his looks and mentioned that it
was as if he was a hippy from the 60s. Michael had told people that he was in
fact a Native American, a veteran who had suffered injuries in the war and
numerous other scenarios that weren’t true.
Tim,
another case worker, knocked on the door. After introductions, explained that
he had known Mike, as they all called him, for 12 years.  The interview confirmed that Michael was for
the last 15 or so years duplicating the patterns that had been my experience
years before when I helped him find housing, get food and checked regularly to
see how he was doing.
Karyn
showed us the bunk Michael was sleeping in when he died.
There
were so many things for me to process. I think that was true for Merlyn as
well. My worst fears over the years had been dispelled. He wasn’t found in some
dark alley. He hadn’t been mugged or beaten. He apparently wasn’t on drugs,
other than prescription drugs. He wasn’t in a filthy, rundown shelter. Quite
the opposite. He had spent a total of 1100 nights over the last 10 years at the
shelter, almost a third of the time. It is a newish, modern and spacious
building, very clean and well appointed. The group areas are warm and
comfortable and the outdoor recreation and sitting space is very nice; quite
comfortable. The shelter opens in the evening and is empty during the day. The
men and women have a bus that takes them downtown, but it is only one way. Many
can be seen on the streets. They are checked for alcohol when returning. The
rules are strict, but humane and they are treated with dignity and respect.
Karyn
shared that Michael had a sense of humor, that several days ago she had
observed Michael sitting outside in the recreation area as another homeless man
was shooting baskets all by himself. When finished, the basketball guy was
heading back to the building and as he passed Michael, Michael asked him ”
Who won?”
Now
for my observations and reflections. Michael was in a very nice shelter,
perhaps nicer than the best youth hostel that I ever stayed in. It reminded me
of the one in Amsterdam. He was in the Transition Unit, which means that by the
end of August he would have been in permanent housing. He was on an up cycle.
Both
his older sister and Merlyn have encouraged me to write about why Michael may
have chosen being homeless as a lifestyle. He didn’t have to be alone. There
were other people around and he could relate to them as he chose or he could be
by himself. He didn’t have to clean up his living space, a kitchen, bathroom,
bedroom, do the laundry or maintain and protect possessions. When he needed
clean clothing, there were places to pick up what he needed. There are places
to get food and places to shower and sleep. No one expected him to “make
something of himself”. He didn’t have to work or compete for position,
take orders, follow a schedule, maintain equipment or appliances, be indebted
to banks, credit card companies, or make payments on a car, a mortgage, a
student loan or be responsible for hospital and doctor bills. He could observe
the world go by and feel free, detached and could participate in conversation
and some activities with others as he wanted to. He was not responsible for
children, a wife, girlfriend, lover or anyone except himself, and then only to
be in some program or another that provided his needs when and as he wanted. I
think that once he was in permanent housing he would soon get lonesome, miss
the street companions and before long be living in filth and squalor, let
others crash there and loose that privilege again as has happened in the past.
The shelters for the homeless and living on the streets gave him the
fulfillment of his physical and emotional needs, companionship and a security
without responsibility.
Since
his snoring was very loud and erratic he may have had sleep asthenia, quit
breathing. The autopsy will take 6 to 8 weeks.
The
body was transferred to Crist Mortuary and sometime, probably this week, will
be cremated.
My
interview concerned a 47 year old man that I had known in the past and that
lived most of his life in and out of homeless shelters. It seems he had a good
soul. Though his family wasn’t capable of sharing their lives with him and vise
versa. He was loved. Though interactions had been difficult, he was always
loving.
I
feel that I can report to his brother and 3 sisters that he lived a life that
he chose and did it on his own terms. He had the respect of those who live that
lifestyle and those who provide services. He was apparently well liked. He
achieved his goals. He had mastered the skills necessary for life on the
streets.
I
have a sense of closure and feel privileged to have known and loved Michael. My
deep love comes in part from the fact that I was his father.

About the Author

I go by the drag name, Queen
Anne Tique. My real name is Michael King. I am a gay activist who finally came
out of the closet at age 70. I live with my lover, Merlyn, in downtown Denver,
Colorado. I was married twice, have 3 daughters, 4 grandchildren and a great
grandson. Besides volunteering at the GLBT Center and doing the SAGE
activities,” Telling your Story,” “Men’s Coffee,” and the
“Open Art Studio.” I am active in Prime Timers and Front Rangers. I
now get to do many of the activities that I had hoped to do when I retired;
traveling, writing, painting, doing sculpture, cooking and drag.

The Interview by Gillian

In 1965/66 IBM built their facility in Boulder, and in roughly twelve months hired 4,000 people.

Those were the days!

I could no more get a job with IBM these days than I could sprout wings and fly to Mars, but back then you basically just had to walk through the door.

I remember very little about what was probably the most important interview of my life, except that it was very short and it was followed up by a test.

Now I know that computer programming and complex math is leaping into your heads, but remember in 1965 IBM was hiring assembly personnel to do the kind of work that has long since been outsourced to far off countries. I think a few of us are old enough to recall when we actually did that work here?

Those were the days!

Anyway, this test was not exactly sophisticated.

I was given a pencil and a piece of paper covered in tiny circles perhaps a tenth of an inch in diameter. I was given three minutes to place a pencil dot inside as many circles as possible.

That was it.

Those were the days!

Apparently my eye-hand coordination was deemed sufficient, and I began my employment at $82.00 a week, more than I had ever earned or ever dreamed of. After all a first-class stamp cost five cents, a McDonald’s hamburger fifteen, a dozen eggs fifty cents and you could buy a  house for $15,000. 

Those were the days!

I spent thirty wonderful years with IBM, doing many different jobs, all of which I loved, and getting several promotions. 

I traveled extensively on business in this country and to several others, obtaining skills which enabled me to travel again to foreign countries in a volunteer capacity during retirement.

At IBM I met the man who was to be my husband, and an irretrievably straight woman with whom I fell madly in love. She is now with her third husband and I am happily, incredibly, with the wonderful Ms. Betsy, but Mo and I continue to love each other like sisters after fifty years.

I came out at IBM, hardly an adventure as IBM was one of the first corporations to include GLBTs in it’s non-discrimination directive, and to offer benefits to same-sex couples.

Of course I cannot hazard a guess as to where my life might have gone had I failed that interview and that challenging dot test, but it is hard for me to imagine a better life than the one I had, and a great deal of it involved IBM.

That your life should turn on pencil dots in tiny circles!

Those were the days!

About the Author

I was born and raised in England. After graduation from college there, I moved to the U.S. and, having discovered Colorado, never left. I have lived in the Denver-Boulder area since 1965, working for 30 years at IBM. I married, raised four stepchildren, then got divorced after finally, in my forties, accepting myself as a lesbian. I have now been with my wonderful partner Betsy for 25 years.